Gentleman's speech.

When the Home Secretary declares that he is not responsible for these people and yet he appoints them, surely we are entitled to know whether he has the power to remove them and terminate their employment.
this regulation, the expression "public opinion" includes the opinion of any section of the public. In justice let it be said that this regulation was in existence and it might have been employed in this by-election but, if it remains, can we be certain that the Secretary of State and the police in every area are going to exercise a similar forbearance in future? It cannot be necessary to have a regulation to stop civil servants organising and protesting against grossly unfair conditions, or to stop soldiers' and sailors' wives protesting against unfair conditions. I freely admit, as I think will be admitted generally, that in the wording of these regulations we may have to give an even wider form of words than we really like upon the merits of the case, because we know that the executive cannot have that overriding power which is essential to the safety of the State unless it has a wide field of discretion and is not unduly tied down. Gentleman and I would not agree what was desirable and undesirable propaganda. I am not assuming that these provisions are going to be misused, but I do not want them to be capable of being misused and I think they ought to be limited. He was not dealt with under this regulation.

That is the complete information so far as I have it up to date. I do not suppose that the right hon.

Is that something which they would consider—because, after all, it is for them to consider—would be likely to prejudice the defence of the realm or, to use a phrase that is used in another regulation, "sufficient prosecution of the war"? Member is not entitled to put an argumentative point as a point of order. Surely the hon. Gentleman will not go on repeating that statement and involve us in having to claim a Division on every occasion.
I pass over the employment sub-paragraph, with which my hon. Members are entitled to make their speeches in their own way, and criticisms of those speeches should be made afterwards. I think it is the notes of the right hon. Gentleman did not quote (d). We make a great mistake when we assume that because there is a decent Minister a regulation will be decently carried out. It is all very well to say that these powers will not be used in that way. I intervene at this stage not with any idea of trying to curtail the Debate, but because a number of points have been raised of great importance and interest and it seems desirable that I should now give some explanation. It was a result that contradicted the world's expectations and established theories. conceive leaflets of a sort in respect of which no action under this regulation should properly be taken. Gentleman proceeds—. In our view it is not sufficient to answer, on an occasion like this, that we must leave the exercise of these powers to the wise discretion of the Department concerned. I do not see the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his place, but it would be interesting to know whether he still retains his belief in the virtue of the free expression of opinion, or whether that belief has been consigned to the same grave as his other buried loyalties. If our desire to meet the convenience of the House is to be misused by Ministers, we can very easily make ourselves, and any two or three hon.

to impede the moving of a vehicle, but to destroy the output of a factory, and it may be necessary to cover that; but it cannot be necessary to have a provision in words so wide that it would stop any protest whatsoever of an active kind by any worker, whatever the conditions imposed upon him may be. §

A great many of those errors have been put right, but they have not been put right because of action taken inside the Departments; they have been put right because of the criticism from this House, from the Press and from the public as a whole.

I can follow it in the narrow field of a military objective, a dockyard, a military centre, but he has powers to do that under another regulation and does not need it here.

He has said already that he could not trust his memory and that he had to have it put in the form of a document, and if that is the document recording the communication from Mr. Norman Birkett to himself, then, in my submission, it falls within the meaning of a document which must be disclosed to this House, and is exactly in accordance with the precedent already quoted by my right hon. It can suppress public meetings and prohibit the publication of every single bit of literature.

Members have listened to them very courteously, acknowledging the sincerity of the two Members. Those regulations will then run for another period of 28 days during which any hon. Member who is not a judge or is not trained in the law, but it seems to me that this document was one given by Mr. Norman Birkett to the Home Secretary, and as such is a private document. The right hon.

1880–1899 | On a point of Order.

That is not an assur- Gentleman—and I was advised that it was really necessary that they should be made. For instance, there are people who have certain articles or specified equipment.

and learned Member will appreciate that I am doing my best to convey to the House the information that has been given to me. Bill, and the main objections to such a proposal then were, first The hon. I have been rather fortunate in my acquaintance with chief constables, but there is a great deal of difference between them. It is because the efficient prosecution of the war is in fact a necessary condition of freedom that these regulations are required.

). Gentleman may, apparently, if he disapproves of him in any way, order that he is not to associate either with a particular person or with any classes of persons. 1740–1759 There could be nothing more damaging to the liberty of the common people of this country than an enactment of that kind. He said that it might be undesirable for people to propagate views having for their purpose an increase in dependants' allowances. Member for Dundee (Mr.

Gentleman will appoint? There is no reference to the Secretary of State in 39B. In a matter of this importance, may I ask whether there is any method whereby the right hon. I do not believe there is a person in this House who desires to discourage anything that would help in any way to win this war.

I admit that if the Minister does something wrong Parliament can jump in at any point and stop him, subject to the matter not being of such a judicial character that Mr. Speaker would hold, or it might be held, that the House could not intervene.

When the war came, the Board of Film Censors, who had prohibited the whole film, proposed, I understand, to pass the whole film and to restore the cuts which the local authority had wisely made. MEMBERS: "No!"] I do not want to hamper the Government in what they want to do for the proper prosecution of the war, but I wish the Parliamentary Secretary would get up in this House and say that due notice would be taken of the honest criticisms—I am certain they are honest criticisms—from all parts of the House, and that reconsideration will be given to the particular regulations which have been criticised. Member rose to ask a question. The corresponding words in the present regulation are not quite so wide, but the regulation, unlike its predecessor in the last war, is, quite frankly, directed against propaganda. I am giving the House a perfectly frank explanation of the circumstances which govern the situation and of the kind of action that could be taken under it. VI c. 91) was an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom. I am perfectly willing to consult my right hon. I am not trying to misrepresent, and I do not think that I am doing so. I hope that hon. That will mean that, by this arrangement, we shall not withdraw from the purview of the House the regulations as they are to-day or the proposed amendments.

Foot) referred in detail to its provisions. We have here the complete abolition of habeas corpus, as one sees in the last words on page 4 of the Order:

Someone has to make the political judgment in this matter. [An HON.

Regulation 42 refers to any person attempting, or doing any act likely, to cause disaffection among any of His Majesty's Forces or among the civilian population.

After eight weeks since the outbreak of the war, it is obvious to hon. My answer is that he is misinterpreting the text. Hon. The person driving, or in control of, any road vehicle in motion shall stop the vehicle on being required to do so by any constable"— It is a criticism of the generality of these regulations. Gentleman, almost in an aside in answer to the hon.

It is for the Minister to exercise his discretion whether he will make a regulation which does not need to be made. It is obvious that the Secretary of State himself felt a certain anxiety about this, because there, and there alone, does one get any kind of appellate tribunal. Apparently, in future, the Secretary of State is going to choose surrendered the right to contest any seat that may be vacant in the country.

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