9 - Hippolytus's two-stage logos theory, podcast 222 - Self-evident truths relevant to Trinity or Incarnation theories - Part 1, Arius and Athanasius, part 6 – Arius on the Son's creation (JT), modal shootout on greatest possible beings - Part 1 (Dale), podcast 284 – Does the Bible Teach that God is a Trinity?


After the sufferings of Jesus were completed He become the universal Mediator, and that mediation is two fold. I really enjoy listening to this podcast while I’m at work. In addition to his physical form he is simultaneously in all things in our time / reality while also being beyond time. Pingback: Orthodox modalism (Dale) » trinities, Pingback: “Sabellianism Reconsidered” Considered – Part 2 (Dale) » trinities, Pingback: Is the Pope a Modalist? If so, what do think of my theological objections to modalism about the Son, here? Modalists of the second kind who hold that all three modes are timelessly enjoyed by God would escape this objection. I am a Oneness Pentecostal (UPC) and am seeing the fallacy of Modalism. I take it you hold the following conclusions.
One option is to say that it is not misperception because it is the property of the pear to feel to touch the way it feels to the first person, the pear really looks the way it looks to the second person, and the pear really tastes the way it tastes to the third person, and say it is not a misperception in this case as we the modalities are noumenal and not phenomenal. He who had already been “joined unto the Lord” and “learned obedience” through suffering (Hebrews 5:8) now became part of the omnipresent Spirit of God. - Part 2 at trinities, podcast 306 – Two Readings of Mark – popular or esoteric?

Attempting this seemed overwhelming, but Dale has put within my reach what would have taken much longer without his help.

Tous vos déplacements en Nouvelle-Aquitaine - - - - Modalis & Vous. If Jesus is divine and distinct from God, why isn’t Christianity a polytheistic religion? If I understand you, you believe in one “universal” (a set of essential characteristics – humanity) which is wholly present in every human. Which do they assert? (Dale) » trinities, Scripture says that there are two gods. “God is like a brain trauma victim!” – just doesn’t do it for me, as it seems that the Father-Son friendship would be a sham relationship, and not a real one. Yet it is evident that Jesus had a human spirit and that human spirit has just as big a part to play in our salvation, as does Jesus’ human body. Likewise, God waited for the perfection of His Son and sent forth the “Spirit of the Son” into our hearts to help and comfort us in all the concerns of this earthly life (Galatians 4:6). If a traditionalist casts “modalism” in this way, then she has a built-in answer to what separates her view that “God eternally exists as three Persons” from “modalism” – the latter takes these Persons to be mere appearances, but for her, the Persons are three ways that God really is. Yet neither Moses nor Elijah became separate heavenly deities.

Thus the Incarnation (the Spirit of God and the perfected human spirit of Jesus) was sent to the Church at Pentecost and fulfills Jesus statement, I dwell with you now but hereafter I “shall be in you” (John 14:17) and “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you” (John 14:18). Jesus Christ was a man, the second Adam who also was a man, so says the scripture. The Bible says He “grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him” (Luke 2:40), He “increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man” (Luke 2:52). However, some have elevated the Son and Holy Ghost to the same level with the Father. La théologie orthodoxe insiste davantage sur les personnes (prosopon) et leurs relations entre elles, qui les constituent. I would argue that any concrete particular that exists in space can be split. One gets the impression here, that orthodox trinitarianism is simply what one could call eternally concurrent modalism – the view that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are modes of the one God, but modes which God eternally or everlastingly enjoys. I have a question that is related to modes. What an awesome God! Jesus isn’t the same person as his Father, but he is the same God as his Father. One author said, “In every way that we humans can speak of our humanity and our relationship to God, so could Jesus, except for sin” (UPCI Manual p. 174). The Incarnation consists of one God and one man, which have been made ONE. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. Such as at Jesus’ Baptism, where we hear the voice of God the Father speaking to God, the Son, and we can see part of the personality of God the Spirit in the form of a dove. Or a modalist may say that those four terms are so many names for God.

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